Thursday, December 19, 2013

Survey Release #4 Additional Comments


   So several of the questions of the survey gave respondents a chance to offer more information. A surprising number of grads did take the time to express their own experiences and thoughts, so I decided to make these a separate post.
 Some shared criticism of the survey itself, which is fair. I do feel there is a variety of both positive and negative comments, and that each one helps us get a bigger understanding of this thing called home school from a student's perspective.

   All the numbers in the survey can make us forget that behind each statistic lies a very personal story. I wish to honor those who took time to share even parts of their story, whether good or bad.
   These are the faces of home school, now adults, raising our own children. If you asked these students and they really felt free to speak, this is what they would say.

If College was not something your parents encouraged please check the box that best describes why
(---Additional comments…)

*Mennonite, and my sister went because she wanted to be a RN

*I was needed/expected to help with my younger siblings, as both my parents were in poor health.

*College was not encouraged at first as it did not seem to fit with my interests at the time, and my parents strongly encouraged me to work for at least 1-2 years after high school before deciding.

*They encouraged me to go to Christian college. They would have discouraged me from picking a non-Christian college.

*Just didn’t care. They would have been fine either way.

*Influence of Bill Gothard’s anti-education philosophies.

*I choose to start working and making money right away.

*Bill Gothard taught against it.

*They only were in favor of me attending colleges that met their standard standards or I was to live at home. They prepared academically, but were not highly involved in my education after middle school. Almost all of my high school learning was done through distance learning programs or through tutoring.

*They let me decide. They told me if I thought it was necessary for the occupation I chose they would be happy to help with the cost. And they encouraged me to use my time wisely.

If you do not favor home school for your child
---( Additional comments.)

*My wife and I will be working, we will have no time.

*There are other things I want to do besides homeschooling.

*It varies child to child! If I have one that HSing will work for, we’ll probably HS. If not, I feel no guilt about public school since it will meet his/her needs much better.

*They need outside structure and motivation.

* I am not 100% confident that I can be the wife and mother I need to be as well as give them the education they deserve.

*It’s a lot to ask of one parent- and I hated having a mom who was run down and needy all the time. I don’t want to be that Mom.

*I want to have a healthy family. My job as Mom is to be Mom, not school administrator for my family. The role confusion in my family due to home school nearly ruined every relationship in our family and it has only been because the children have fought tooth and nail to save our relationships with each other and repair relationships with our parents as much as they will allow that we have any contact at all. Having a teacher for  a Mom and not having a Mom was extremely dysfunctional.

*I don’t want them to be isolated and socially inept, sad, lonely, and depressed.

*I plan to home school when I have children.


Do your parents say they wish they’d done anything differently?

·         They wish they hadn’t been quite as strict in certain areas
·         By the time they learned some things about grace in their lives (new believers when I was born) we were pretty far down the road of life. It takes much more work to undo damage and habits you previously thought were healthy than it does to learn it the right way the first time. My parents always said they wanted to give me a better chance at a good start than they had so I didn’t have as much to overcome.
       ·         I think their divorce was the downward spiral. Before that, it was great. After that, it     
               became a struggle, they both regret it.

·         More structured academics

·         No actual regrets but they have mentioned that there were some things they would do differently. 

·         The have mentioned that they wish they would have done different educational method and been more involved in the discipling us kids, and worked more on character/ attitude of the heart.

·         I think all parents have regrets as in no one is perfect. My parents have never expressed regrets concerning homeschooling though.

·         Mom feels they were not able to give enough one on one time. I disagree.

·         Mom regrets our involvement in ATI, Bill Gothard’s home school program.

·         They realized they were to far into conservative, religious camp and that we kids were given a false idea of God.

·         Mostly from my Mom saying she’d wished she had focused on specific needs more instead of what she thought she should be doing. 

·         They see the legalism was detrimental, but they don’t fully understand grace.

·         My mom realized she made a mistake and cries about it. We were in the Bill Gothard ATI program which is a cult.

·         My mom has said she wishes she had done things differently, my dad has zero regrets.

·         Certain things they wish they had taught differently, but none of the fundamentals.
Do YOU wish your parents had done things differently?
* Are there some minor things I would go back and tweak? Certainly. But overall, I am not disappointed with what I got and what they did.
*More college emphasis was needed.
*My math proficiency was highly deficient and I struggled in college math. This deficiency prevented me from pursuing a math/science career.
*I wish that they would have updated their curriculum, so that when we went to college we actually understood what we were supposed to do, not by something it was called 20 years ago.
*I feel so far behind and like I am trying to play catch-up in life.
* I think I would have done very well in school; I asked to go to high school, and was told no.
*I was basically abandoned to work on my own. It was awful. Boredom and inactivity consumed me.
*I feel like the homeschooled for them, not for us and as a result didn’t always put our best interests in mind or think about how certain things, (lack of social interaction, lack of experience with things like sports, etc.) would effect us. I wish they had thought about the potential long term impact of homeschooling instead of just using it as a way of keeping their children home and under their wing longer.
*Stronger academics in high school; less cloistering in just the HS community.
*I wish for a stronger academic focus in high school. Only what I was interested in was pushed after 8th grade.
* This is a two edged question. Once again, I think ATI turned into more of a cult than anything else, but we made neat friends and I loved some of the experiences, so…life is what it is. You take the good and bad and move on. It wasn’t perfect, but nothing is.
*I am struggling through college; my one brother is suicidal and has no hope for good future. Mom refused to provide transcripts for him to join the military, he wanted to do many things but was ONLY allowed to work in the cult training center and go through ALERT.
*My parents loved to learn, but at the same time my mother downplayed the importance of a solid well round education and school beyond 8th grade.
*I got an AMAZING educational experience that has benefited me tremendously in my field even now. However it was wrapped up in the early conservatism of the movement, which I’ve completely broken away from. However, to their credit, they allowed me to be with other ‘liberal’ people and I benefited from the true diversity in my homeschooling.
* Nothing major, but there is always room for improvement.
*More social interaction.
*I wish we had a more stricter school plan in high school.
* I think had they been consistent with education it would have set my siblings and I up for better success as we entered the real world.
* I wish they had pushed me more academically since I was gifted, but I do think they provided a good academic balance. I do agree them being a little too strict. I wish I could have been allowed to reach my own conclusions a little more as a teenager instead of being forced to agree with them in public all the time.
*Maybe we should have gone back to high school earlier but it worked out ok.
*There was little reasoning behind peer-oriented activities. It seemed as though my extracurricular activities were very limited, and mostly because my parents feared ‘worldly influences’ and didn’t seem to actually trust that they had raised me in the way I should go. Being treated as untrustworthy fostered a spirit of frustration and I responded with anger and minor rebellion.
*I wish they had only adopted the children that God ‘brought’ to us instead of seeking out adoption opportunities.
*I wish they would have stayed together. Their divorce has clouded my perspective on a lot of things. They could and should have finished strong.
*More structure; academics math/science were not taught consistently.
*Academic focus was good, but not as strong as it could have been. My current direction is very heavily science based. However the lack of strong science base in high school has not hindered me in the least, I was give the tools to learn what I needed and I have excelled in college.
* The only thing I would change, is that now there are more home school support groups and a wider variety of extra –curricular activities available to homeschoolers. I would have liked to have been more activity in a wider variety of events.
* In a few areas, yes, but over all I have a lot to be thankful for how I was raised!
*They did a lot of things right, it’s just that as the kid you see the mistakes and want to change these while still doing the good with your kids.
*Yes and no. I wish we were not sheltered so much and I wish we got a better education.
*I wish they had been more accepting of different views.
*My upbringing resulted in extreme social awkwardness that was completely unnecessary.
*I feel that homeschooling was the only way they could keep us kids from being ‘tainted’ by the world, and it did not matter that we were crippled in our social, academic and mental abilities because of it.


Additional Comments?
 *For me, if homeschooling had just been about academics my life would have been fine. I got a very good education. It was every other area of my life that was lacking. I wonder if Mom had sent us somewhere else to get a basic education if she would have had more time and energy to fulfill the other needs of her children.
* Many of my answers seem to conflict, partly because I have almost 2 very different experiences. Before Dad left and after. It was more cloistered/performance based before, and more balanced after. I didn’t have to live exactly like all the other super conservative families because my parents were divorced and I was left with re examining all my beliefs and had to choose if I really believed it or if I was just doing it because I was supposed to be a good home school girl.
* I had a wonderful childhood, I wouldn’t change anything.
*I would home school because my Mom had so much fun doing it, and at one time I wouldn’t have considered a husband that wouldn’t do that but I specifically felt God tell me one day that I might have to give that up, so I am open to not home schooling. Another odd thing is the way my parents have changed so much from who they were when I was young, sometimes I have to accept that as well. I value my heritage and I was part of the culture. It was Mennonite though, not American.
*I think this is placing a lot of importance on homeschooling that I don’t place. I am successful, both in school and social life because of how my parents supported me. Yes, they chose to do that by homeschooling but I still feel it was less their educational choices for us and more their parenting choices that made the difference. They were involved, they were there. Any one thing, (i.e. home schooling) did not make the difference, who they were made the difference, that is my thought anyway.
* the problem is not homeschooling, it is modern parenting.
* It was hard to answer some of these questions, in many ways homeschooling was a blessing but sometimes I wonder if my Mom wouldn’t have been happier if we would have gone to school. My mother is a very unhappy person and the additional stress I think just made it worse. If I would have gone to school I may have had more positive adult role models. However I don’t blame homeschooling for the dysfunction in our home, sending us to school wouldn’t have made our home a happy one.
* I wish these questions were more specific; my mother was conservative but my father wasn’t, so that colored things considerably – my parents had different convictions about college/higher education/career/ etc. so I just had to pick one. For example my mother emphasized being a home maker, while my father emphasized college. But I love what you are doing on your blog, I’ve seen the trends as far as lack luster educational standards, gender based standards and I am absolutely horrified by it.
*I know I have some conflicting responses but I really feel conflicted about my childhood. Homeschooling in and of itself was ‘not’ the problem. Maybe it contributed, but I think if I had been in any other setting, with family relationships the same I would have ended up in a very different place than I am now. I’m happily married with 5 children and are homeschooling. It looks nothing like the way I grew up though. J
*So much has changed for us over the years, but we’ve all worked to grow together and honor the Lord and each other. I feel incredibly blessed….both among homeschoolers and publicschoolers.
* My home school experience was good save for the no social preparation for the outside.
*Survey is a bit skewed. Questions and answers force the survey takers to select within the line of the beliefs of the survey maker.
*My sisters loved being homeschooled, both want to home school their kids, neither works in a technical field and their social group is limited to church.
*It worked out pretty well for us but we home schooled out of necessity not desire and that may have factored in a lot. It didn’t take over our lives and we went back to Christian school in high school.
*I am really interested in the results you get.
*To clarify on two questions, My Mom has breast cancer, but has always had excellent emotional/mental health. I am open to other options, but would prefer to home school.
*This is an excellent survey, it is a little biased on bad experience which I don’t suffer from as much as it seems others have. I would have answered these questions so much differently before I left home, before I started homeschooling my own kids and before I started learning about how grace, the brain and the ability to learn alongside your kids enables them to learn.
*After being away for a year at college I have seen how homeschooling greatly enhanced my academic experience. Even though our homeschooling was not strong in certain academic subjects I acquired the work ethic to know how to study well and learn. Not being proficient in the area of math has hindered my progress at college, but it is something I am working through. My experience working for my Dad during high school helped me to get a good job as I work through college.
* I had a wonderful home school experience and was successful in college and am on a career path that I enjoy. Of course it wasn’t all perfect, but overall it was great. I would do it again if I had the chance.
*Clarifying on some questions; My mom has had serious health issues for >10 years. However she remains absolutely positive on her outlook on life and will, Lord willing, see you youngest child graduate high school next year after homeschooling for more than 25 years.Q-33-34Although I still occasionally feel lost on some topics – I do feel properly prepared to respond. One will never see eye-to-eye with peers or have the same social experience and I feel no pressure to try and obtain the experience of my peers.
*I did not answer 2 questions because there was  no appropriate answer; n5 my parents motivation was to give me the freedom in education I was begging for(I started HS in 6th grade)n15 They encouraged me to seek God’s will for my life and pursue whatever that may look like, knowing that He had given me interests and talents in line with his plan for me. Another thing I would like to add having done research on a graduate level I feel your survey is incredibly biased.
*Very interesting.
*The questions about profession were hard because I am a stay at home mom, I do enjoy it and felt a little prepared, but even though I had the ‘proper training’ to be a wife and mother, I still go crazy sometimes and feel like I have no idea how to run a household. I also feel I was never really prepared to get a real job though because of my lack of training. Yes I enjoy being a mom, and felt a little prepared, but no did not feel prepared for work in the real world.
* There were many aspects of homeschooling that worked for our family, academically our parents were very rigorous and I feel I got a good education. I also feel that being as sheltered as I was truly did keep me from bad influences that may have led me to do things I would regret. I don’t feel that my home school experience was good overall. I missed out socially and struggle to keep up now. I wasn’t allowed to mess up and I wish I’d been given my freedom to live my own life.
* As my mother died of cancer I did not answer questions about her health or my parent’s marriage. (My father is happily remarried)
*My home school experience per se did not prepare me academically for college at all, however my own drive to study for the GED test(which I took at age 19) probably helped a great deal.
*Some of my questions are ‘yes AND no’ because in some ways my education was good and in other ways it was lacking. Socially I had to overcome a lot of preconceived ideas about ‘the world’ and people outside of my home school community when I graduated from high school. I had a lot of fear about the unknown. I faced a lot of trepidation and guilt in my romantic relationships too,- my parents were not supportive at all.
* The question about being able to relate to peers seems a little biased because sometimes I can’t relate to people socially, not because of homeschooling but just because of differences in the society and people themselves. America is broad and there are often social and cultural differences from one state to another.
* When I was 13 and going through identity questions I wanted to assert my independence from my mom by not doing math. I absolutely refused to do math and even dropped out of every math coop class I took – Geometry, Algebra 1 and 2. My mom basically threw up her hands and allowed me to graduate with a core40 high school diploma even though I had not completed 80% of the textbooks to technically complete these courses.
*Underlying the idea of homeschooling seems to be a sense of pride in doing things ‘right’. I was raised under the teaching that it’s important to wait for God’s best, if it’s not right then it must be wrong. That we have to fear the culture because it’s worldly and so many other twisted truths. The mindset of waiting for God’s best has paralyzed my 30 year old sister so much that she is worried about even looking at or having a brief conversation with a guy for fear he will think she likes him.
*Homeschooling done right can be amazing – customized  education and experiences to suit each child’s needs. Homeschooling done poorly is horrible and very detrimental to the child’s future. Of 3 children I am the only one who got a halfway decent education and that was because I was self motivated and self taught. One sister still doesn’t know the multiplication tables and she has 2 young children that she’ll be homeschooling in a few years.
*Some of the questions you ask are compound questions making it difficult to answer.
*I think it is important for children to be taught to think, to find solutions and to interact. It’s important that they learn to handle situations in which they are uncomfortable, how to interact with all sorts of personalities. It’s important that they hear differing views so they can come up with their own set of beliefs.
*I felt unprepared for life in the real world.
*I feel like my home education would have been much better if my mom hadn’t had so many kids. She was trained as a teacher so she had good methods, just got overwhelmed by babies, toddlers, and the younger kids, that once I reached a certain age I was on my own. I’d be fine for a while just skipping over stuff I couldn’t grasp, and then feeling like a failure when I did finally ask for help, and my Mom would realize how little I actually knew. She would teach me until she got to busy.
*My parents were good at making sure we were on –track(or even above average)academically. Their need to prove themselves as home educators trumped just about every other need we had as children or as a family unit. It was very destructive. My mom suffered from extreme mental illness and my parents had a terrible marriage. Homeschooling children in that environment is not healthy at all.
*My parents were abusers and used parental rights and HSLDA to justify their abuse.
*There were only 2 children in my home so some of the questions did not apply. My entire family has walked away from the strict legalism of our pasts – none of us hold to the beliefs that we had back then. I do not have any children yet, but would love to home school. However my reason would be to let my children learn at their own pace and style, so that they will love learning, not so they can regurgitate facts.
*Thanks for this survey
*Homeschooling was never so much about control as preparedness for adult hood.
*I think home school done right can be good, my mom was overwhelmed, received little to no help from my dad. Towards the end, mom wanted us to go to school but he refused to let us. I think with both parents involved it would have been much better.
* I enjoyed being homeschooled while I was in school and thought I was lucky to have a mom that was willing to do that for me. I was homeschooled all the way from K-12 and while I think it was probably best for me at the beginning, I would have been better off if I had been put in school by middle or high school. Yes, it would have been more difficult, but I would have been better prepared for life.
*A lot of the questions I left blank because there was not an answer I agreed with. I love learning, but I never loved school. Home schooling was a good fit for me, but there were definitely areas I wish I knew more about.
* I realize that many may be taking this survey as homeschoolers only and that is the only way they know, but as for me I was started in public school and never really cut all ties with the school, my sister and I were able to take some classes there like band and drafting and anything the school offered so in some cases we had interaction and in many cases we were just another face in the crowd. The other thing is where we lived we were the only home school family for thirty miles.
* I only took a test once in 2nd grade and tested out far above my peers in many subjects.(Reading comprehension was at pre-college levels) Realize that I don’t have room to explain all answers, but I feel like the qualifying factor in my positive experience was a joyful and peaceful home. We homeschooled on principle, yes, but it was held with joy and not drudgery. Happiness was a natural by-product of a great home life.
*I feel that my parents did a great job of having balance in our home. They raised us the best way they knew how, but did not force their beliefs on us. We were taught to strive for excellence in all things, and our academic studies were most important with music, athletics, and other extra-curricular activities also. Overall I feel that being homeschooled was a positive experience for me.
*It was not a negative experience. I feel it could have been so much more than it was, and I feel a lot of resentment/regret around that.
*Thanks for doing this survey! I don’t mean to bash my parents. They are highly educated (teacher’s license and PHD) so did a good job with academics, I just think in general the whole idea of home school and isolation is flawed.

    I want to thank every person that gave time to share their experiences.

1 comment:

  1. Thank you for putting this survey together.
    It seems that you got a lot of feedback that gives some good balance to the home school education debate. I'm not sure that it answers the questions of "what is the best way to transmit values to children?" or "what is the best way to help prepare children for the world?". I don't know if you were really trying to have answers to those questions or not but your survey does show that no education system is perfect because it is run by imperfect and flawed people, who are trying to raise imperfect and flawed children.
    It is also a good reminder that good intentions are not enough. God's grace is what parents must hold on to as no parent can force their child to believe what they believe. All a parent can do is pile firewood together and hope that God starts a fire in their child's life. For any who contributed to the survey, Thank you for your feedback.